richard herman, a new york criminal attorney joins us from las vegas, nevada. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us. nice to see you. >> of course. >> now, the david petraeus scandal legal fallout. let's talk about the national security breaches? do you see breaches and do you see laws broken? >> i don't see breaches. i think what we've seen up to this point is some level of clearance on the issue both in terms of petraeus' appearance and explanations from the cia. but the legal issue is bound here both from the standpoint of marital issues in, terms of the fact that petraeus, believe it or not, submitted an evidentiary statement in a child custody case involving jill kelley's sister. then you have the cyber cat fight. so there are a multitude of issues. but at the end of the day, david petraeus, i think, walks free. >> richard, what about paula broadwell? i mean she says she has classified information. how did she get that? could there be a crime there? she is a socialite hanging out with generals. who are these socialites? isn't paris hilton a sociali